TOMBSTONE TUESDAY ~ Anna Barbara Martin–1748-1822–My 5th great grandmother

In Memory of

Anny B. Frampton

who died August 9

1822

aged 66 years

Anna Barbara Martin was born 18 Mar 1749 in Germany.  I have her baptismal record of 21 Mar 1749 in Ludwigsburg, Wurttembeg, Deutschland.  She was the daughter of Johann Eberhard Martin and Jacobina Elizabeth Wunderlich, both born in Germany.

She married John Frampton, Jr. about 1780 in Derry Township, Pennsylvania.

I have 8 children born to them, 2 girls and 6 boys.  I descend from their daughter, Rachel Frampton (1781-1855).

I know very little about Anna’s life.  I do know she ended up in Burlington, Lawrence, Ohio and died there on 9 Aug 1822.  I was able to visit the Burlington Green Lawn Cemetery and found her headstone. You may visit her findagrave memorial here # 70712927.

Her husband, John died in 1808.  I suspect she went to Burlington because her sons, Martin & Isaac were there, as well as her daughter, Rachel.

There is much more research to be done on Anna & her family.

Some of the sources used so far are:

• Mifflin County, Pennsylvania Families & Records before 1800 Supplement by Raymond Martin Bell, Page 36
• Mifflin County, Pennsylvania Families & Records before 1800 by Raymond Martin Bell, page 16a
• Germany, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1519-1969, digital images on Ancestry.com, pages 18 & 19
• Sons of the American Revolution Applications

I have plans to travel, for the first time, to Mifflin County, Pennsylvania, later this year.  I hope to find much more information on the Martin & Frampton families while I’m there.  Wish me luck.

Thoughts and questions that came up while I wrote this post...

• Why the discrepancy on her age on the tombstone? By her date of birth, she would have been 73 years old at the time of her death, not 66.
• Did she and/or her husband John, have prior marriages?  The both seemed a little old for a first marriage in 1780 (both in their 30's).
• Where is John buried? 

Please contact me if you are related to or have any information on this family.  I’d love to hear from you.

If you have any corrections or additions to what I’ve mentioned here, please let me know.

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Happy hunting,

Michigan Girl

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52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks–Week #6 ~ Mary Elizabeth Milne–1851–1929–My great grandaunt

The Muskegon News Chronicle, 18 Jun 1909, page 1

Mary Elizabeth Milne Thornton

My Great Grandaunt, sister to my great grandfather, Andrew C. Milne

Born 21 Nov 1851 in Aboyne, Aberdeenshire, Scotland

Married John Thornton 19 Dec 1871 in Lambton, Ontario, Canada

Died 22 Aug 1929 in Muskegon, Muskegon Co., Michigan

Mary was the second of 4 children born to Charles Milne and Margaret Ritchie.  Her siblings were Margaret (about 1850-after 1880), Charlotte “Lottie” (1854-1935) and Andrew Charles (1856-1892).

The first census record I locate Mary in, is the 1861 Scottish census at Drumduan Cottage, Aboyne, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.

(You may click on any image to enlarge it) 

1861 Scotland census - Charles & Margaret Milne are at the bottom of this page

1861 Scotland census - children of Charles & Margaret Milne, including Mary

The next record I have for Mary is a passenger list.  She traveled to Quebec, Canada at the age of 17 with her young brother, Andrew, age 12.  They traveled on the ship St. David and arrived in Jun 1868.  I found no other Milne’s on this passenger record.  The record does not list (as some do) a relative they are going to visit or stay with.

Question:  Why were these two children sent over to Canada by themselves?

I have been unable to locate Mary in any census records for 1870 in the U.S. or in 1871 in Canada.  I did locate her brother, Andrew in an 1871 census in Lambton, Ontario, Canada, living with the Smith family.  Mary is not with him.
 
Mary married John Thornton on 19 Dec 1871 in Lambton, Ontario, Canada.  John was born 17 May 1851 in Lincolnshire, , England, to Samuel Thornton and Mary Staton.

Here is a record of Mary & John’s marriage from the database, Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1801-1928.



Mary and her husband John can be found in the 1881 London, Ontario, Canada census.  He is working as a Turner and they have 2 sons, Alfred 6 and John 2. 

I was curious about the job description and located this information about a Turner at this website https://www.jobisjob.com/turner/job-description

Description
Turners are responsible for manufacturing metal components and assembling them to construct tools, industrial machinery, and machine components. They study assembly specifications to perform the most efficient order of processes required for specific projects. These specialists also measure each large and small component to ensure they will fit together properly in the final design. They identify potential problems by understanding machine specifications and drawings before the production process.
Turners usually perform many of the following tasks:
• Maintaining equipment.
• Taking accurate measurements.
• Teaming up with machinists.
• Assembling metal components.
• Polishing finished components.

Mary and John had a son, Samuel born 21 Sep 1872.  He was their first born child.  Sadly, he died of Scarlett Fever on 15 Nov 1879.  He was only 7 yrs. old.

In addition to the two boys named above, Alfred & John, the couple had four more sons, John Jr. (1879-1914), George (1881-1951), Andrew Ritchie (1883-1943) and Orman Staten (1888-1925).  The last child I have born to them was their daughter, Lottie May (1894-1950).
 
I can only wonder how much that little girl was doted on by 4 brothers and her parents.

Based on birth records for the children, it appears that some time between Andrew’s birth in May 1883 and the U.S. census in Jun 1900, the family moved to Muskegon, Michigan.

Mary & John can be found in the 1900, 1910 and 1920 census records in Muskegon, Muskegon Co., Michigan.  John went to work as a Railroad Engineer and they owned their home at 37 Prospect St.  Using Google Maps I was unable to locate any current pictures of even the street Prospect on any map for Muskegon, Michigan. I was able to locate Hall St.

However, I did locate a newspaper article about John building the house in 1910 for a cost of $700.  Can you imagine building a home at that cost?

Muskegon News Chronicle, 5 Aug 1910, page 5

Both Mary & John became naturalized citizens of the United States in 1885, according to the census records.  I would love to find their naturalization records.

Mary was a Treasurer for the organization Companion of Foresters.  Although I’ve done several searches online, I can find nothing about this organization.  Her husband, John, was involved in the Canadian Order of Foresters.

Mary experienced several losses in her immediate family. 

• Her young son, Samuel at age 7 in 1879 (died of Scarlett Fever)
• Her son, Alfred, at age 16 in 1892 (died of Inflammation of the Bowels)
• Her brother, Andrew, at age 36 in 1892 (died of Consumption)
• Her son, John Jr., at age 34 in 1914 (died of Organic heart disease)
• Her husband, John at age 70 in 1921 (died of Angina pectoris – arteriosclerosis)

Mary died on 22 Aug 1929 in Muskegon, Michigan.  Her cause of death is listed as Arteriosclerosis, myocarditis, nephritis and terminal lung infection.

Here is her death certificate



She and John are buried at Oakwood Cemetery in Muskegon, Michigan.  You may visit her memorial on FindAGrave.com #79385867.

From being born and growing up in Scotland, to moving to Canada, then to the United States, being the mother of 7 children, and being the Treasurer of an organization, it seems that Mary lived quite a full life. She has a nice smile in the newspaper photograph.  I wish I could locate other pictures of this family.

That being said, if you are related to this family in any way, I would love to hear from you.

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Happy hunting,

Michigan Girl

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MILITARY MONDAY ~ Have you looked at the second page of your ancestor's World War II Draft Registration? It may contain physical characteristics of your ancestor

Over the weekend I was looking at some pictures of my grandparents.  I wondered to myself “how tall were they?”  My brother, Norm and I are tall.  Our Dad was 6’ 2” and Mom was 5’ 6”.
 
Where am I likely to find physical descriptions for my grandparents?

For the women, I don’t know.  However, for the men, my grandfathers, it would be on the back of their World War II Draft Registration Card.  The back of those cards are on the page after the front, as you view the record online.  The World War I Draft Registration Cards were scanned so that you see both the front and back of the card on the same image on Ancestry.  Not so, with the World War II Draft cards.

Commonly referred to as the “Old Man’s Registration.” This draft registration was for those men alive in 1942, who were born between 1877 and 1888.

Description

“This database is an indexed collection of the draft cards from the Fourth Registration, the only registration currently available to the public (the other registrations are not available due to privacy laws). The Fourth Registration, often referred to as the "old man's registration", was conducted on 27 April 1942. The records include name of registrant, age, birth date, birthplace, residence, employer information, and physical description.”
 
My paternal grandfather, Harry Whipple Gould was born in 1886 and my maternal grandfather, Joseph Albert Milne was born in 1883.  So, both of them fall in the birth years covered by this registration.
 
I immediately looked at my Legacy database where I record all information for my family.  Much of that information is added to the Events/Facts area of the file.  I checked the entry for my paternal grandfather, Harry W. Gould, and found that I did not have the WW II Draft Registration entered.  Had I located it and just failed to enter it? I looked at my maternal grandfather, Joseph A. Milne and the draft record and image are recorded as they should be.
 
I looked in my digital files and did find an image for the WW II Draft Card for Harry W. Gould, BUT, only the first page.
 
Off I went to Ancestry to find and download the second page, which contains the physical description.
 
Here is the card, both front and back.  You can see that Harry has listed himself as 5' 7" and 160 pounds.
 


TIP: I use the program Paint in order to combine the two images into one.  This is a free program on your PC (I can’t speak to Mac’s) and is very easy to use.  I use it daily.
 
There it is, the physical description of my grandfather, Harry W. Gould.  In reviewing family photos with everyone standing together, this description seems about right.
 
Here’s a photo of Harry W. Gould with his mother and brothers.  His brother Roy is listed as 5’ 6” tall on his WW II Draft card.  He and Harry look to be close to the same height.
 

My next question was – Do I have a WW II Draft Registration Card for Ford Gould, the brother on the far left?  If not, why not?
 
It turns out that I had not downloaded and recorded the WW II Draft Card information for Ford Gould.  He is listed as 5’ 1”.  As he is several inches shorter than his brothers in this photo, is another piece of evidence that the height is about right.  We can never be sure that these registration cards are 100% correct.  The individual could easily have misrepresented any number of items.  

However, we take the information and compare it to what else we have and can come to a conclusion as to the validity.

This information allows me to estimate the height of the ladies in the family too.  If I can see that they are all standing at the same level I can estimate within a reasonable margin of error, their approximate height.

In this case for my great grandmother, Mae Thorp Gould, I can see that she is a bit taller than Ford.  Take into consideration her hair and that the ground may not be completely level, I would estimate her height between 5’ 1” and 5’ 3”.  She appears taller than Ford, but shorter than Harry & Roy.
 
Now I’m going to go back to my family photos and begin compiling the approximate heights of my ancestors.  I won’t be able to do this for everyone, but I bet I can find photos that allow me to guess a few of them.
 
Were your ancestors short or tall?  What other characteristics did they have that may or may not have passed down to you and your siblings?

Happy hunting,

Michigan Girl

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SEPIA SATURDAY ~ Great grandparent’s pictures–How many do you have?

Mae Thorp Gould

William V. Gould

Susan Gillespie Milne

We each have 8 great grandparents. Depending on how old or young, you are, you may or may not have pictures of them.  Depending on the research you've been able to do, maybe you don't even know all their names.
 
Photography has been around since 1839.  I’m not going to go into the history of photography here, because I’m not an expert.  However, if you would like to learn more, there are experts out there.  One of them, I’ve followed for years is Maureen Taylor.  She is also known as the Photo Detective.  I own several of her books. She featured one of my family photos on her website in December 2008 you can see it here – Photo Clones, Duplicates in the Family.

The question today is, how many photos do you have of your great grandparents?  Here is what I have for me and my husband, Ron.

My great grandparents are:

William Gould & Mae Thorp – paternal greats


William Wallace Lindsay & Bessie Fitzcharles – paternal greats

Andrew Charles Milne & Susan Anne Gillespie – maternal greats


Robert Lee Bowden – no photo & Florence Hunter – maternal greats



So, for my family I have photos of 7 out of 8 great grandparents.
 
Now for Ron’s family.

Ellmer E. Bright & Malissa M. Hunt – paternal greats – no photos

Thomas C. Hall – no photo & Cora E. Brown – paternal greats



George A. Fink & Barbara Ludwig – maternal greats – no photos

John Doller & Bertha A. Keller – maternal greats


Sadly, for Ron’s family I have been able to locate pictures of only 3 out of 8 of his great grandparents.  If you are reading this and have any pictures of the family mentioned here, please contact me.

This has been an interesting study.  I cropped and enhanced photos as I was writing this post.  Always a good chance to review the images we have.

Because of the time frame of the lives of all of mine and Ron’s great grandparents, there were likely photos taken.  Most of the people mentioned here were alive after photography was common.  Most of them well into the 1900’s.
 
How many pictures of your great grandparents do you have?  Or maybe if you are of a younger generation, then how many pictures of your 2nd great grandparents do you have?  I’d love to see the pictures.

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Happy hunting,

Michigan Girl

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