Monday, November 9, 2020

A COURT CASE (1680-1685) INVOLVING MY 9th Great grandfather ~ Jacob Jansz GARDENIER - New York

Today I was doing a bit of research on my GARDENIER line. This is a paternal line through my great grandmother.  I don’t have a date of death for my 9th great grandfather, Jacob Jansz Gardenier aka Jacbo Jansz FLODDER

While doing some digging, I came across a court case from 1680-1685 (no exact date is given).  This does help me because it seems he was still alive during those years.  I have an approximate birth for him of 1618. This assists me in moving forward to try and locate his death date. Using all available records can be invaluable to us in ascertaining facts about our ancestors.

To see how I descend from Jacob please read this blog post FOLLOW UP ~ The Jacob Jansz Gardenier line of Colonial New York–My 9th great grandfather

Here’s what I located today on Ancestry.  This comes from the book Minutes of the court of Albany, Rensselaerswyck, and Schenectady, 1668- 1685, vol. 3, translated & edited by A.J.F. Van Laer and published in 1932. This particular link will take you to Family Search as I believe it’s easier to search in the volume from that site vs Ancestry.

On page 202 I find this record.

“Jacob Janse Gardenier, plaintiff, against Jan Bronk, defendant.  Jacob Janse Gardenier says that the defendant, Jan Bronk, has failed to deliver 16 logs on account of 200 boards delivered to him five years ago, as also 51 logs by balance of account of 200 boards delivered, making together 67 logs.  And as he has failed to deliver the same on the shore, in the presence of Leendert Phillipse and his wife, he requests that the defendant may be ordered to deliver the 67 logs in the kill, according to his promise.

Default of the defendant.

The honorable court condemn the defendant to deliver to the plaintiff the 67 logs in Flodder’s kill, as soon as the water is fit to float them down, unless the defendant meanwhile can produce any evidence to the contrary.”

Here is an image of page 202.


These are questions I have:

  • Did the defendant ever comply? This volume has 601 pages and no index, so other than reading each page I may never know.
  • What is Flodder’s kill? (I know that the plaintiff used the name Jacob Jansz Flodder) So this land or tributary may be named after him.
  • What is a “kill” as defined in the 17th century?  I did find that it was used as a place name in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania and meant a stream, creek or tributary.  The origin being derived from Middle Dutch “kille” which meant riverbed or channel.  Thank you Google for always coming through for me on my crazy searches.
  • Based on the information above I’ve probably answered my own question as to what was Flodder’s kill.

That’s it for today.  I have a burning desire to go to Albany and spend some quality time in the libraries, courthouses and archives there.  Lots of ancestors have history in that area.  I’ve never been to New York, except as a stopover when I’m flying.

If you are connected to anyone mentioned in this blog post, please get in touch.  I’d love to connect with you and perhaps expand our family histories.


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Happy hunting,

Michigan Girl

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  1. Diane, You and my husband, Dave, are cousins. He is descended from daughter Aeltie.

    1. Linda. What? Really? How wonderful! Tell him hello from his cousin in California.


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