A COURT CASE (1680-1685) INVOLVING MY 9th Great grandfather ~ Jacob Jansz GARDENIER - New York

Today I was doing a bit of research on my GARDENIER line. This is a paternal line through my great grandmother.  I don’t have a date of death for my 9th great grandfather, Jacob Jansz Gardenier aka Jacbo Jansz FLODDER. 

While doing some digging, I came across a court case from 1680-1685 (no exact date is given).  This does help me because it seems he was still alive during those years.  I have an approximate birth for him of 1618. This assists me in moving forward to try and locate his death date. Using all available records can be invaluable to us in ascertaining facts about our ancestors.

To see how I descend from Jacob please read this blog post FOLLOW UP ~ The Jacob Jansz Gardenier line of Colonial New York–My 9th great grandfather

Here’s what I located today on Ancestry.  This comes from the book Minutes of the court of Albany, Rensselaerswyck, and Schenectady, 1668- 1685, vol. 3, translated & edited by A.J.F. Van Laer and published in 1932. This particular link will take you to Family Search as I believe it’s easier to search in the volume from that site vs Ancestry.

On page 202 I find this record.

“Jacob Janse Gardenier, plaintiff, against Jan Bronk, defendant.  Jacob Janse Gardenier says that the defendant, Jan Bronk, has failed to deliver 16 logs on account of 200 boards delivered to him five years ago, as also 51 logs by balance of account of 200 boards delivered, making together 67 logs.  And as he has failed to deliver the same on the shore, in the presence of Leendert Phillipse and his wife, he requests that the defendant may be ordered to deliver the 67 logs in the kill, according to his promise.

Default of the defendant.

The honorable court condemn the defendant to deliver to the plaintiff the 67 logs in Flodder’s kill, as soon as the water is fit to float them down, unless the defendant meanwhile can produce any evidence to the contrary.”

Here is an image of page 202.

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These are questions I have:

• Did the defendant ever comply? This volume has 601 pages and no index, so other than reading each page I may never know.
  
• What is Flodder’s kill? (I know that the plaintiff used the name Jacob Jansz Flodder) So this land or tributary may be named after him.
  
• What is a “kill” as defined in the 17th century?  I did find that it was used as a place name in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania and meant a stream, creek or tributary.  The origin being derived from Middle Dutch “kille” which meant riverbed or channel.  Thank you Google for always coming through for me on my crazy searches.
• Based on the information above I’ve probably answered my own question as to what was Flodder’s kill.

That’s it for today.  I have a burning desire to go to Albany and spend some quality time in the libraries, courthouses and archives there.  Lots of ancestors have history in that area.  I’ve never been to New York, except as a stopover when I’m flying.

If you are connected to anyone mentioned in this blog post, please get in touch.  I’d love to connect with you and perhaps expand our family histories.

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Happy hunting,

Michigan Girl

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FOLLOW UP ~ The Jacob Jansz Gardenier line of Colonial New York–My 9th great grandfather

After my post about my 7th great grandmother, Cornelia Gardenier, a few days ago, I’ve been contacted by several descendants.  You may view that post HERE.

I figured there must be a lot of descendants out there since there were many children born to the couples I’ve been researching.

The information seen in my database is not taken from other family trees and copied.  I have found, where I can, sources such as church records to document the information.  Some of it has come from published family genealogies, some with sources, some without.  Where it is without, I have indicated that in my research notes and will continue to search for documentation.

Here are screen shots from my Legacy database that show family groups – parents and children and show their relationship to me. I’ll begin with the furthest one back.

I know I still have a LOT of work to do.

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JACOB JANSZ GARDENIER who married JOSYN (Maiden Name Not Known)

My 9th great grandparents

JAN JACOBSE GARDENIER who married SARA SAARTJE JANSE VAN BREMEN

My 8th great grandparents

CORNELIA GARDENIER who married OBADIAH COOPER

My 7th great grandparents

JACOB COOPER who married Josina ORCHARD

My 6th great grandparents

OBADIAH COOPER who married LENA ALBRECHT

My 5th great grandparents

JACOB COOPER who married Mary “Polly” BRYNE OR O’BRIAN

My 4th great grandparents

LANY COOPER who married MONSON THORP, Sr.

My 3rd great grandparents

I’ll stop the screen shots here, as we’ve gone pretty far down the line.

Please get in touch with me if you have information to add or have corrections I need to make.  I do realize that we are going pretty far back on these lines, so all the information may not match up perfectly.  We can all do the best we can to document our ancestors, using proper sources and documentation.  This is always my goal. 

Happy hunting,

Michigan Girl

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52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks–Week #7–Cornelia Gardenier Cooper–My 7th great grandmother

New Amsterdam - a small city on Manhatten Island, New Holland, North America    Screenshot from boweryboyshistory.com

I have not been able to trace many of my lines back this far, so this is a lot of fun for me.

Cornelia Gardenier, my 7th great grandmother on my paternal side, was born about Oct 1691 in New Amsterdam (later to be New York).  I have a record of her baptism.

U.S., Dutch Reformed Church Records in Selected States, 1639-1989
Name:    Jan Gardenier
Gender:    Male
Spouse: Sara Van Bremen
Child:    Cornelia Gardenier
The image lists the baptism date as 11 Oct 1691.  She would probably have only been a few days old at the time
Baptismal Record from U.S. Dutch Reformed Church Records in Selected States, 1639-1989



According to various biographical sketches I’ve located, she married Obadiah Cooper, before 1713.  I have not located a record of their marriage, yet.  Obadiah was from Fishkill, Dutchess, Colony of New York.  They are reported to have had 12 children.  I have only located records/mention for 9 of them as follows: William, Obadia, Sara, Elyzabeth, Jacob (my direct ancestor), Abraham, Maria, Cornelis & Cornelis/Cornelius.

Questions that come to mind.

• How did they meet?
• Was this Cornelia’s first marriage?  She would have been about 20-22 yrs. old in 1713 or before.  The same question applies to Obadiah who would have been around the same age.  I find no record of a previous marriage, but I always wonder.
• Who were the other 3 children that I have yet to locate?
• How many of the children lived to adulthood?
• What was Cornelia’s cause of death at age 52?
• What hardships did this family endure? 

From Wikipedia these are some of the historical events that occurred during the lifetime of Cornelia, 1691-1748.  How much did these events affect Cornelia’s life, if at all?

1690s

• 1692 - Salem Witch Trials in colonial Massachusetts

• 1697 - King William's War ends in North America with the Treaty of Ryswick

Rev. George Whitefield, is often credited for beginning and popularizing a new religious movement known as The Great Awakening all over Colonial America

1700–1759

See Timeline of the American Revolution for events starting from 1760.

1700s

• 1701 - The Collegiate school at Saybrook is founded in Connecticut; it will later be renamed as Yale College
• 1702 - William III dies, is succeeded by Queen Anne
• 1702 - Queen Anne's War (War of the Spanish Succession) begins
• 1702 - East Jersey and West Jersey become crown colonies

1710s

• 1713 - The Treaty of Utrecht is signed, bringing an end to Queen Anne's War.
• 1715 - Yamasee War in South Carolina colony
• 1718 - Blackbeard is killed in battle by lieutenant Robert Maynard in the waters off the Province of North Carolina

1720s

• 1725 - Father Rale's War (1722-1725)
• 1727 - George I dies, is succeeded by George II
• 1729 - Province of Carolina proprietors sell out to Crown

1730s

• 1732 - The Province of Georgia is founded by General James Oglethorpe.
• 1735 - John Peter Zenger is found innocent of libel by the New York City trial on August 4th.
• 1739-1740 - George Whitefield begins his travels throughout the colonies. His message of everyday Christians having a personal connection with God resonates and begins the First Great Awakening.

1740s

• 1744 - King George's War (1744-1748)

I find the following references to Cornelia & Obadiah and their family:


Source: Contributions for the Genealogies of the First Settlers of the Ancient County of Albany, from 1630-1800, by Prof. Jonathan Pearson, copyright 1872, page 34

Cornelia Gardenier Cooper
Cornelia Gardenier was born in October 1691. She was the daughter of Kinderhook millwright Jan Jacobse Gardenier and his wife, Sara Van Bremen. Her paternal grandfather once lived in Beverwyck.
By 1713, she had married garrison soldier Obadiah Cooper and was living in Albany. By 1735, the last nine of her twelve children had been baptized in the Albany Dutch church where both parents were frequent baptism sponsors.
These Coopers lived in a first ward neighborhood that had been settled by former soldiers. There, she raised her large family with less of a family network than most Albany mothers. Her husband, an Albany newcomer, was a tailor who died in 1742.
Dutch church burial records state that Cornelia Cooper was buried in April 1748.
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Sources: The life of Cornelia Gardenier Cooper has not yet been assigned a CAP biography number. This profile is derived chiefly from family and community-based resources.
By Stefan Bielinski, Colonial Albany Social History Project [http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/albany]

Source: http://www.albany.edu/history/eoah/entries/g/gardenier_cooper_cornelia.htm

Land Transaction from Cornelia, wife of Obediah to Jacob A. Gardenier on 16 May 1721


Source: New York, Albany County Deeds, 1630-1894, Vol 3, Pg 1415, Recorded 1 Mar 1765, Book 7, page 350

Cornelia died 17 Apr 1748 in Albany, New York (or what became that city & state).  She is buried in the Albany Rural Cemetery in Albany, New York.  You can visit her findagrave memorial here #62897818.  There is no headstone photo and I cannot submit a request for one because there is already a request on file.

There is a LOT more to the story of my Cooper/Gardenier line and I can’t wait to share it with all of you.

If you are connected to this family (and there must be many of you out there), please get in touch with me via my contact information here on the blog.

Happy hunting,

Michigan Girl

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